Monday's good news day quickly turned into a really crappy day/week so far. We just cannot get it together with my son. It's been a shaky, somewhat ok contact the past 6 months, mostly initiated on our end. He could go weeks without even a text saying hello, updating us on what he's been doing. We did see him for a week in October (mostly at our insistence that he come here and take care of some responsibilities he had). It seemed to go well, though after he left it was almost a month before we heard from him again. I have a feeling it was just a smiling face he put on while here and not sincere, just to get through the week here. The part that didn't go well while he was here - with our vehicle we let him take over a year ago - was DH found a pot pipe in it. He of course blamed it on his friend. Says he smokes but that DS only tried it once last summer. Sure..........
But, DH remained very calm about it all (in the past he would have blown up). We of course told him how unhappy we were to find this and I also looked up the possession of paraphernalia laws in the state he is currently living in. $500 fine and up to 6 months in jail, if caught. Not to mention he was driving the 1000 miles here without a front license plate (good reason to get pulled over). Why? because when he was in Canada he went into a ditch to avoid hitting a moose and wrecked the SUV on both ends. He didn't bother to mention that to us. (even though we bought the vehicle and owned it, we did transfer it to his name last winter, because he was refusing to leave Canada and we didn't want the liability, so technically he now owns it). He had told us before he had auto insurance, but didn't have an answer as to then why didn't he use it to repair the car? Of course he didn't have insurance. While here we suggested he go over to the Vehicle licensing and get new plates, it would cost him around $30. He did do that and also renewed his tabs for a year, even though they weren't due until next March. Wow, he finally took the initiative on something.
He is 23 years old now. For the past 2 years he has been staying with others, as a guest in their homes, for several month stints. He works odd jobs, for cash, so he has no health insurance. Currently he is doing some construction type jobs at times. He could easily get hurt and will have no L&I available, if he does.
Before he left at the end of October we sat him down and tried to impart some life wisdom into him (again). Get a full time job, get one that hires you as an employee, withholds taxes and has benefits. Makes life much easier. We also told him he owes us $8500. We paid $5000 for the vehicle we let him take, but he did put $1000 in good winter tires on it, so we said he owes us $4000 for that and $4500 for the trailer he sold out from under us (that of course we had also originally paid for, at much more than that amount). I told him he needed to figure out a payment schedule and let me know. I didn't really care how much, just that it needed to happen every month. He finally told me last week he would have a big chunk of it to us in a few weeks......
Monday DH calls him up to chat about some stuff related to all the race equipment. We have always told DS that even though we paid for it all, we feel we all own this and he has a say in what happens to it. DH did first ask if he had time to talk. DS sounded a bit grumpy and said he was on the phone with his sister trying to help her with her malfunctioning laptop. DH brings up the topic he called about and DS gets all defensive and says I told you before to just sell it all and tried to twist something dh had said. Anyhow, even though DH remained calm and didn't get mad or yell, the conversation went downhill from there. DH told him how he feels about these stupid odd jobs he's doing and still living off of others for room and board. Told him he feels he is so much more capable that what he has been doing. DS then angrily asked if I felt that way too, and DH said, "you'll have to ask her". DH told him - we are only trying to help you.
DH mentioned that DS's 2 year degree will end up obsolete and his reply was "you always have your degree". Well, technically yes, in the real working world? Nope. Other than a short part time stint working IT while he was getting his degree, he has done nothing with it, since he got it 2 1/2 years ago. You don't work the field = employers who don't value your degree the longer time goes by.
Then DS hung up on him. I have tried to call him 4 times since Monday night. He won't answer or return my messages. DH sent him an email night before last. No response.So, we are apparently right back to where we were last January-May. My guess at this point - with his moodiness (he was never like this in his first 21 years) - is related to drugs and or alcohol (one of his new odd jobs recently has even been in a bar). And since he's 23 and not living under our roof, let alone that he is 1000 miles away, I guess he's going to have to figure it out himself. Just seems such waste for such a smart person.
I look at his friends and others his age and see young adults going somewhere in life. They didn't all go to college, but they all have full time, steady jobs. One just bought his first house over the summer. The two friends that haven't done anything with their lives, is the one (who supposedly owns the pot pipe) who has been with my son(until a few weeks ago), since last spring - doing the same thing as him. The other kid lives at home, has never had a job and has zero ambition.
Son has no ambition, no drive, just wants to float along and see what happens. Doesn't seem to care about anything anymore, especially his family. Mentally/emotionally he is acting like a 15 or 16 year old. I could almost go along with his lifestyle if he spent a bit of time interacting with us on a regular basis. Like I've told him many times - it's not that hard to spend 10 minutes once or twice a week calling/messaging/or emailing. It appears he still has quite a bit of contact with his ex-girlfriend (he saw her quite a bit when he was here that week) and I'll bet he finds time to message with her everyday. If it's important to you, you find the time. Simple as that. But when you are avoiding others it usually because you either have something to hide or are guilty of doing something wrong.
It's hard listening to others say he'll come around, he'll figure it out. Doesn't make what we are going through right now any easier, I can tell you that. It sure is making it hard to get into the Christmas spirit and find the joy in life.
He's a man now(albeit an immature man)and you have to let him have his space.
ReplyDeleteHe'll work his way and figure that y'all have his best interests at heart but in the end, it's his life to do with what he will and how he will.
Some kids have to learn things the hard way unfortunately.
And what he wants out of life may not be what y'all want for him.
I do feel for you. My oldest is quite lazy and we talk almost non-stop about whether he will do well or not. Luckily, he is still at home and still listening somewhat.
ReplyDeleteAs for your son, there is not much you can do. I am very sorry for that. Watching him fall apart is not at all easy.
No it's not easy and it's hard to know someone is falling apart and there is really no reason for it to happen :( Our son was always a bit lazy, always had to be told to do something, but he was never disrespectful to us.
DeleteWe would honestly not mind his choices so much, if he wasn't treating us like $*%% in the process :(
ReplyDeleteJust curious but are you "nagging" him about his life and choices everytime you interact with him? If so, that be why he's ignoring you. It doesn't make it right but he might be feeling like a failure in your eyes (and/or not good enough) which makes him lash out even more at you. He obviously doesn't want your advice at the moment so is there a way to bite your tongue whenever he says something you dont agree with? My mom can be very bossy to my brother (About how he's raising his daughter) and he will get mad and stop talking to her. My mom had to finally let it go so they could have a decent relationship again. Hopefully this phase in his life won't last too long. It took my brother a few years after high school to get his act together and he's a smart kid too.
ReplyDeleteKay, no I don't feel that we are. Yes, at times we give our opinion, but most times we just say "ok". Last year he moved in with a "girl" (well, more a woman - 26 or 27 yrs old with a 6 year old kid) and we didn't make any comments to him about it, when we found out. We just nicely asked him some questions about her and her son (to try and get to know them) and only said "just be careful of the little boys feelings. He'll get super attached to you (and he did) and it will be really hard on him if it doesn't work out". Of course a couple months later it didn't work out.
DeleteDH was trying to treat him like an adult and have him be involved in the decision/discussion the other day. It's becoming apparent that even though he's 23 he definitely not mentally or emotionally an adult.
I hope I didn't offend you with my comment. I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut and not giving advice to anyone and everyone lol. It must be hard as a parent to try and sit back and say nothing when your kid is making bad decisions.
DeleteI didn't mean to sound harsh before....me and my big mouth sometimes. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI know it's hard even if they are older and that can make it so much more frustrated.
I went through something similar with my daughter(she'll be 22 this month). She had a life plan, a scholarship to a good school, a guaranteed seat in a good medical school and was on her way to becoming an MD. 1 semester in and she make a sharp left turn and eventually out of school, is living with her boyfriend about a 1000 miles away from us and is working fulltime.....but she is also changing jobs/careers on a semi-regular basis.
What I'd like to do it turn her over my knees(she's a good foot taller than me lol)and slap her into next Sunday to boot.
But at this point, it's her life and she's got to live it the way she sees fit.
I guess I am still grieving for what could have been for her. But that's my problem the way I see it. But you can't help but be exasperated, annoyed, upset, stressed over what they don't seem to see.
Hang in there!
That's ok. I'm grieving too and honestly could accept where he lives, type of work, etc, if he showed some attention our way without making us feel like crap because we want to say hi once in awhile. I'm 50 years old and still call or email with my mom once or twice a week. Our neighbor's dad lives in another state but he calls him every Sunday night. One of our other friends has dinner at his parents almost every Sunday (ok, I wouldn't go that far. LOL, but you get my drift). You make a little time for the people that are important to your life. Even if it's 5 minutes here and there. We don't really even know where he lives! No address, just a town name. It's been like that the past year. He didn't even tell us when he moved out of the one friends place to move in with the girl with the kid, last winter. We found out when she tagged him in a facebook picture!
DeleteWhen my DD went off to school a few months ago I knew our relationship would change, that I wouldn't have the day to day contact with her anymore. She'd be busy with school and college life. All's I told her (because she's a female and I'm a mom) is she had to at least text me once a day a quick "hi, I'm alive" type of message, just so I wouldn't go days not hearing from her, and not aware if something happened to her.
ReplyDeleteWell, no worries - the girls messages me ALL the time, several times a day :-)
Oh man, that's so hard, and you have my sympathy. Not a day goes by that I don't feel thankful that both my kids are reasonable people and we have good relationships. We speak fairly regularly, no set schedule but its unusual for 2 weeks to pass without at least a check-in, saying hi type text. Worst case is that I'll call and if they miss my call they will be instantly afraid something terrible has happened and call me back without listening to my voice mail. *laugh* We have family dinner together at least once a month - it's the only demand I put upon them as adults. Because as you say, we make time for what matters most.
ReplyDeleteAs hard as this is right now, there is little you can do to "make" him come around and grow up. As parents we want our kids to be happy on their chosen paths, but that's more challenging when we disagree with their choices. What is even worse, though, is to be cut out from their lives for no apparent reason. I feel for you. Keep the communication lines open and hopefully he will overcome the obstacles he has laid out for himself and start the process of healing your relationship.
Thanks Janelle. I think that the "tell" in all this is the fact that he's also shutting out his sister, which he has no reason to do so. She doesn't "butt in" his life or tell him what he should be doing. Makes me realize he's shutting us out because he knows deep down he is making poor choices.
DeleteYou have probably hit the nail on the head. He knows that he's making bad decisions and being around you makes me feel guilty even if you don't say anything. Hopefully he comes around. IMO, young adult sons are so hard to understand.
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Sorry you're going through this. It sounds like he knows he's not being responsible. I think he will come around. Those early 20's are really a time of soul searching and it sounds like he's got stuff to sort out.
ReplyDeleteHey, can you lay on the guilt? Tell him you are getting sick from worrying and the stress? Maybe exaggerate and tell him you have a health issue from the stress? Kind of works with my boys. I have a 25 year old, who although ambitious with a full time job doing what he loves, has a chronic illness. He needs injections every other week,and has moved across the country to Los Angeles. Skips meds a lot. So I am really a wreck, and worry constantly he will get very very sick. I do now have somewhat of a health problem, partially stress related. Laying on the guilt seems to have worked somewhat.
ReplyDeleteSherri - sorry you are going through worrying too! Yes, I actually did try the guilt thing back in May. Well, more it was my dh telling son that I was throwing up every morning from all the stress (I was) and then he finally came around and we thought we were past it all. I don't know what to do this time. I did leave him a pretty angry voicemail last night. I'm not usually one to show anger or get too mad, so maybe that was worth a shot. His sister sent him a pretty angry text and she's not one to do that either.
DeleteI am sorry about your son - know exactly some of the crap you are going through based on my own stepkids inside/outside our home. He will have to find his own way. Leave him be (which is incredibly hard) and no longer offer any kind of financial support to him. Cut him off - he will therefore have to stand on his own two feet at some point.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the reply Cheapchick. We do no longer support him at all, Unfortunately he keeps finding people who will let him live at their place, so he's not really having to stand on his own two feet and support himself with rent, utilities, etc and see what it's like to really be taking care of yourself.
DeleteMy heart aches reading your posting and the other comments. My daughter struggled for more than 10 years to find her way and my husband and I agonized over her the entire time. We live near the ocean and there is an entire community of people who work very hard during the summer and then collect unemployment during the winter. She fell into this group and did lots of things that I didn't know about until many years later. Slowly, slowly she began to evolve. The changes really and truly began around the time that she turned 25. She crashed and burned at some point and called me to come and get her. I brought her home to a one-bedroom apartment. (We were waiting for our new house to be completed.) She slept on the couch. There was a sign in the Ruby Tuesday restaurant where we went to dinner one night. She applied and got the job as a server, worked her way up the responsibility ladder and realized that she has some genuine sterling qualities and that she was valued. In 2004 she began dating the man who became her husband. He supported her decision to return to college and complete her degree. (If for no other reason, I will always love my son-in-law for that,) She worked three part-time jobs so she could obtain her bachelor's degree in teaching. They bought a house in 2008, married in 2009, expanded their family in 2013. She now works in our town as an 8th grade science teacher and is more than 1/2 way to completing her Master's Degree and wants to get a doctorate. I always knew she had much to offer but she had to find it herself. We are very close now and the pain we endured so many years ago is healed with a scar that has faded. She is very hard on herself about her previous behavior but that will ease I know. Every day I am grateful that the person I knew was hiding inside finally appeared. It was brutally hard trying to be positive and not burn any bridges. I sincerely hope you have a similar outcome for your son. Christine
ReplyDeleteAnonymous - thank you for sharing your story! It is very heartwarming to see she figured it all out and is doing so well. I hope and pray my son one day figures out that he has so much more to offer the world and would get so much more in return than he is currently living. Your story give me hope!
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