Thursday, August 17, 2017

Future budget

Last year I had done an estimated budget of our expenses living in the house we build.  Now that I have a better idea of what things cost in this area, I'm working on updating it.  Electricity has been quite a bit more than I thought it would be compared to where we used to live.......but I think in the  new house it won't be as much as we are paying for this 1400 sq ft house! Two reasons. One is we will be on a different electricity company - a co-op, which is usually cheaper (and the co-op said they are cheaper than the power company we currently have to use). We were on a co-op power company at our old house and it was much cheaper than the other for profit electric companies around us.  The second reason is that we will be having a heat pump at our new house. The furnace will only be a backup to the heat pump. While there is the initial cost of the heat pump, it will more than pay for itself in saved electricity/propane bills. They typically pay for themselves in 3-5 years, according to statistics. We asked our property neighbor, the other day, what her electric bills are, and while I can't remember now what she said, it was under $100 a month for their big 5000+ sf. house. These summer months I have paid $160/mo ($400 in winter) for this little house!

Another monthly savings will be water/septic. I averaged $50-60 a month until summer and we like to keep our lawn green and the bills have been about $100 a month the last 2 months. We will be on our own private well and septic, with no monthly outlay. The experts say a well pump should last about 12-15 years and cost about $1000 to replace. So, I need to set aside about $70 a year for future well pump replacement. Much cheaper than paying that each month, like I am now.

Both of these savings (and now the $25 a month phone/internet savings) can go toward the higher house payment we will have.

The other item that is going to come down one way or the other is health insurance for DH! Seriously, I am done paying over $500 a month for basically nothing. Since the worthless politicians can't get their act together on repeal and replace, I really think I am just going to drop the insurance at the end of this year (maybe even in November) and start putting that money in a savings account to pay for doctors visits and medicines. Within 3 years I could have almost $20,000 saved for medical emergency, in 5 years it would be almost $31,000. I can pay his (on average) once a year dr visit and prescription out of that each month, too. From what I have read, the "tax" "penalty", whatever you want to call it, only gets taken from you only if you have a refund, which I never do. You have to have insurance for 10 months to avoid the penalty, so this year I would not have to pay it, if I keep the insurance on him through the end of October. I guess next year we'll wait and see..maybe something will at least be done about the penalty by then. Maybe at some point a more affordable plan will be available and I would then purchase that again.

I am just done with paying this exorbitant rate for what amounts to what is a catastrophic plan. The high deductible makes it unusable for regular office visits/care. On top of the $512 a month I still have to pay for any visits to the doctor and his monthly prescription.

We will be 10 miles closer to the city, where we do a majority of our shopping, so that will save a bit on gas over a years time for each trip there (average a couple times a month). We will also have our mail delivered to our house, eliminating the need to drive to the post office 3-4 times a week. While it's only about a mile each way right now, it adds up and it's having to star the car up each time, etc.

That's all I have come up with so far. I plan to try my hand at a few chickens for eggs......but I'm sure the cost of keeping the chickens will be more than the cost of eggs, LOL.


23 comments:

  1. Be cautious about dropping all health coverage. You just never know when a medical emergency will happen.
    Hubs little broken leg last Dec. would have cost us over $95K OOP without insurance. I know we could have gotten a bit taken off for paying cash and not going through the medical bureaucracy, but still, accidents happen.

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  2. My husband needed an operation on his foot...not life threatening but if it wasn't done he wouldn't be walking! If we had no insurance we would have been out over $45K. With the prices in American health, I would never go without insurance. One heart attack, a bout with cancer, a routine operation will bankrupt many.

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    1. this obamacare would still bankrupt us with a major medical emergency. Our share is 60%...below I said 40% and I had it backwards.

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  3. Unless this current insurance mess is repealed, my guess is our insurance will probably go up at least another $100 a month for next years rates. I'm done with it. I'll take my chances and start putting the money away into a personal savings account for medical stuff. Even with this crappy insurance if something major happens we are still out 40% of the bill..so for the broken leg, we'll still have to come up with $40k, might as well be all of it at that point. Hopefully I could get a few years into saving and then if something like that happened I can say "here's $20k towards my bill, I guess the rest I will have to pay you $600 a month". I'm sick and tired of being ripped of by all this. It's a catastrophic plan, at best, and even then, like I said we'd still owe tens of thousands out of pocket. I'm paying over $500 a month and STILL have to pay everything out of pocket on top of that for a doctor's visit.

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  4. Are you sure your plan doesn't have a max out of pocket? We are in a different state but all the Obamacare plans we looked at had a max I think was like 13K or 17k max so you had to pay 40 percent but once you reached the max out of pocket they covered the rest

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    1. I will check on that! That would make a huge difference, if that is the case. Thanks!!

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  5. Have you looked at health sharing ministries? We joined with Samaritan this year. I agree the insurance premiums are insane. Christian health had what amounted to a catastrophic plan for about what the no insurance penalty was. These meet the insurance requirements for Obamacare tax penalties.

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    1. I have looked and there are 3 that are approved (I think) and all require attendance at local church, which we do not do. They sound like a very great deal for those who qualify.

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  6. @Jull - you are so correct! I guess I missed that part when I was reviewing all the plan details. The out of pocket maximum for the plan I have DH on is $7150. I'd say that makes it probably worthwhile to keep this insurance going (even though it's still way to high priced) and hope the laws get changed soon (haha!). I did also look up expected increase for 2018 for our state/this insurer and they've *only asked for 4%. Thank you for the comment!

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  7. Does your work not offer spouse insurance? My spouse is on my company's policy because it's better then the one his company offers.

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  8. yes, but it's $1200 a month. I just can't afford it on one income. Yes, it is much better insurance, but the extra $700 a month it would cost is just not worth the extra coverage/dollar value. He typically only goes the to dr once or twice a year.

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  9. It would be $1200 a month just for your husband or the both of you? Your company benefits suck! For my husband and I, we pay $185 a month and my company picks up the other $815. So it would be approx $1000 for the two of us if they didn't contribute anything to the plan. I assume this means your company isn't subsidizing your plan either, well maybe for you since you are the employee but not for your husband.

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    1. I think that's the thing people forget that health insurance is expensive for all, just some of us are lucky to work jobs where our companies pay x amount towards the premiums. I know I am lucky!

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    2. Nope, that is just for DH through my company for medical/dental & vision. I am covered 100%, but they do not cover dependents at all. It's great insurance, I just can't afford it out of my pocket. It's a small company of just over 50 employees. They could not afford to subsidize dependents.

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  10. I agree with the others regarding keeping insurance. Prior to my husband changing jobs a year ago, we had crappy insurance. Breaking my ankle set us back $6500. While that hurt us financially, I'm sure it would have still been far worse without any insurance. I feel it is just too risky to be without some type of insurance in place.

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  11. Is a heat pump like a geothermal system? I'm not familiar with those pumps.

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    1. I think it's similar. It uses the thermal air to heat and cool

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  12. I know prices vary regionally, but we replaced a well pump last fall and it was $5300. Just FYI.

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    1. hmm. maybe it's a different kind of well pump, but we've heard from 3 sources that it's about $1000. To dig our well will be around $5k and then around $1500 for pump and pressure tank

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  13. Good God alive, I can NOT believe the prices you are quoting for medical care and I actually lived in the States (my oldest was born there). 95,000 for a broken leg!!!!! I work in Switzerland (used to live in Switzerland as a singleton so have many of my doctors still there) and even though this is one of the most expensive cities in the world we would never pay those kinds of prices. I can't believe it. For sure someone should sort that stuff out but I fear that since big business is in on it (like the pharmaceutical industry also) that's not going to happen soon. Swiss prices are expensive (to us) - luckily I have good insurance, but French prices (where I live) are so, so much lower. And in the UK of course it is "free" in the sense that it is taken out of taxes. Wow, just wow. I am so sorry you guys have to worry about that. Anna

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  14. I know - isn't it just completely insane? DH's little doctor visit, basically to just check his cholesterol and get her to write the prescription was $400....for about 15 or so minutes with the doctor and for nurse to draw blood.

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  15. I'm an RN and have worked in a Trauma Hospital for 30 years, one car accident, one fall from a ladder, one unexpected/unanticipated heart surgery, cancer treatment or even a minor stroke or a brief stay in a rehab or skilled nursing facility and you will be facing bankruptcy. Yes, health insurance costs are crazy, but it is foolish to think that $20,000 will cover the costs; or that you can pay $600/ month on a $100,000-$500,000 medical bill. Without medical insurance you may find it difficult to even access expensive care. By law, emergency care is provided (but not free), just know that emergency depts do not provide cancer care, diabetes care management, chemo/radiation, rehab, etc, etc, etc. Without insurance you may find doctors, surgeons, PT/OT/SLP, pharmacies require $$ payment UPFRONT. I recall a patient arrived at the hospital for a planned hip replacement. But he had not paid his medical insurance premiums for 2 months and his medical insurance had been cancelled. The surgeon's office ALWAYS makes sure your insurance is in effect, before any surgery is done. The surgeon would not do the surgery, and advised the patient to contact his office once he got his insurance in order. The surgeon was not going to foot the bill for someone without insurance. People without medical insurance get charged more $$$ for treatment and meds because they can't negotiate deals with medical systems like insurance companies can. You are only looking at the short-term wellness vists "not sick or injured" costs. It is the unexpected illness or injury that will cost you your house and other assets. To get charity care, you usually have to sell your assets. This may sound harsh but it is reality.

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    1. Thanks for your comment! I hear ya! Now that I know there is a max out of pocket, that won't bankrupt us, I can somewhat keep handling the fact that all this is a complete rip off - insurance companies, doctors and hospitals! My DH went to an office visit last month to get his cholesterol med refilled. New patient, but still only spent about 15 min with a PA (not even an MD), then nurse drew blood. $500 visit!

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